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If one would like a thorough and informed review of this book, one can Google it along with Bryn Mawr Classical Review or BMCR.

The book is a valuable addition to the scholarship of Neo-Platonism.

Note as well, from O'Daly's BMCR review "Gerson's translation is painstakingly accurate, achieving fluency and clarity without simplifying Plotinus' often hyper-concentrated style. If one compares it with the distinguished English translation by A. H. Armstrong, there are gains in precision as well as in contemporary idiom."

I do, in fact, read Ancient Greek. I can aver from my own knowledge and experience that Plotinus cannot be both accurately and pleasantly translated. If you encounter more than a sentence or two of Plotinus in translation that seems to be very natural and clear English, the translator is getting highly interpretative.

Too many reviews of Neoplatonic translations, like the one below, complain about how bad this translation or that translation is. Nearly all of these people cannot read Greek and have no informed opinion on the matter. There's a reason the translations are a hard read. It's not for lack of skill on the translator's part.

Apologies, if this is a bit of rant. I'll update later with a review of the commentary itself. In the meantime, Google up O'Daly's review.

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Now that I've finished the book, I can add a little more to counter Mr. Direct Revelation of the One and the "commandments" of Plato, Pythagoras, and Plotinus.

I'm glad this book exists, though it is a little dense and less than ideally friendly. While nearly all of it is perfectly accessible to the Greekless, if you are not well prepared for unrestrained philosophical discourse, it may be rough going. For the most part, Plotinus' treatises are very condensed lecture notes that assume a great deal of prior knowledge. In a single paragraph he may be responding to several actual or possible objections to his argument, and elucidating what these objections are, as well as explaining Plotinus' arguments and their necessity is what Gerson focuses on. Plotinus naturally riffs off of Plato and Aristotle too, and Gerson comments on such passages, as well as providing cross-references to various ideas and phraseology within the Plotinian corpus.

Gerson clearly intended this book as a resource even for his peers. It's about what you'd expect from a short commentary on Classical philosophy that assumes no deep knowledge of Greek. So, if you are looking for a commentary that makes Plotinus easy and very intelligible, this isn't it. That said, it's not without value for readers with some, but not thorough knowledge of classical philosophy. I stand somewhere between some and thorough myself, so it wasn't a cake walk, but it helped me get deeper into how to read Plotinus with comprehension. The question is whether you need to know the whys and why nots, and not just the whats, of Plotinian ontology, and whether you love ideas like semantic vs. ontology truth and autoexplicable vs. heteroexplicable.

If a commentary on a less purely technical treatise, like Against the Gnostics, were as dense and detailed as this one, I would probably give it 3 - 3.5 stars, but given the technicality of the topic (whether the forms are within or without Intellect), it's fitting. I'd really rate it at 4, but I'm leaving the 5 to balance out the nonsense of the low review.

The reason for the downgrade is simply that Gerson loses sight of the forest for the trees to some extent, and this could have been avoided. He provides a good outline just before the translation, but signposts are lacking within the translation itself, which is short (about 25 pages), but still dense, and within the much longer commentary (about 140 pages). Each chapter gets a brief rubric in the commentary, but it's generally short and somewhat inconsistent with the outline at the beginning (even including the line numbers). Given how many trees there are in this forest, and how difficult it is to read even one paragraph of Plotinus and keep it locked in your head, articulating the commentary more would have been greatly helpful. Add to this the small size of the pages, and the text gets atomized.


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Plotinus ENNEAD V5 That the Intelligibles are not External to the Intellect and on the Good Translation with an Introduction and Commentary The Enneads of Plotinus Lloyd P Gerson John M Dillon Andrew Smith 9781930972858 Books Reviews

This commentary requires a certain level of background in Neoplatonic philosophy such that the terms can make sense, so not exactly a starting point. That said, if you understand the terms and have a basic understanding of the philosophy, this is an accessible read and indeed one of the most vital sections of the Enneads. It is worth noting that this translation more scholarly than artistic, but not excessively dry or difficult. An essential for the philosopher-mystic.
If one would like a thorough and informed review of this book, one can Google it along with Bryn Mawr Classical Review or BMCR.

The book is a valuable addition to the scholarship of Neo-Platonism.

Note as well, from O'Daly's BMCR review "Gerson's translation is painstakingly accurate, achieving fluency and clarity without simplifying Plotinus' often hyper-concentrated style. If one compares it with the distinguished English translation by A. H. Armstrong, there are gains in precision as well as in contemporary idiom."

I do, in fact, read Ancient Greek. I can aver from my own knowledge and experience that Plotinus cannot be both accurately and pleasantly translated. If you encounter more than a sentence or two of Plotinus in translation that seems to be very natural and clear English, the translator is getting highly interpretative.

Too many reviews of Neoplatonic translations, like the one below, complain about how bad this translation or that translation is. Nearly all of these people cannot read Greek and have no informed opinion on the matter. There's a reason the translations are a hard read. It's not for lack of skill on the translator's part.

Apologies, if this is a bit of rant. I'll update later with a review of the commentary itself. In the meantime, Google up O'Daly's review.

___

Now that I've finished the book, I can add a little more to counter Mr. Direct Revelation of the One and the "commandments" of Plato, Pythagoras, and Plotinus.

I'm glad this book exists, though it is a little dense and less than ideally friendly. While nearly all of it is perfectly accessible to the Greekless, if you are not well prepared for unrestrained philosophical discourse, it may be rough going. For the most part, Plotinus' treatises are very condensed lecture notes that assume a great deal of prior knowledge. In a single paragraph he may be responding to several actual or possible objections to his argument, and elucidating what these objections are, as well as explaining Plotinus' arguments and their necessity is what Gerson focuses on. Plotinus naturally riffs off of Plato and Aristotle too, and Gerson comments on such passages, as well as providing cross-references to various ideas and phraseology within the Plotinian corpus.

Gerson clearly intended this book as a resource even for his peers. It's about what you'd expect from a short commentary on Classical philosophy that assumes no deep knowledge of Greek. So, if you are looking for a commentary that makes Plotinus easy and very intelligible, this isn't it. That said, it's not without value for readers with some, but not thorough knowledge of classical philosophy. I stand somewhere between some and thorough myself, so it wasn't a cake walk, but it helped me get deeper into how to read Plotinus with comprehension. The question is whether you need to know the whys and why nots, and not just the whats, of Plotinian ontology, and whether you love ideas like semantic vs. ontology truth and autoexplicable vs. heteroexplicable.

If a commentary on a less purely technical treatise, like Against the Gnostics, were as dense and detailed as this one, I would probably give it 3 - 3.5 stars, but given the technicality of the topic (whether the forms are within or without Intellect), it's fitting. I'd really rate it at 4, but I'm leaving the 5 to balance out the nonsense of the low review.

The reason for the downgrade is simply that Gerson loses sight of the forest for the trees to some extent, and this could have been avoided. He provides a good outline just before the translation, but signposts are lacking within the translation itself, which is short (about 25 pages), but still dense, and within the much longer commentary (about 140 pages). Each chapter gets a brief rubric in the commentary, but it's generally short and somewhat inconsistent with the outline at the beginning (even including the line numbers). Given how many trees there are in this forest, and how difficult it is to read even one paragraph of Plotinus and keep it locked in your head, articulating the commentary more would have been greatly helpful. Add to this the small size of the pages, and the text gets atomized.